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    NT8 UI annoyances

    I have been using NT7 for a long time, but after the release of 8.0.4 I decided to switch over. After having used the new version for some time, I find it less than pleasant to use.
    Here is a list (in no particular order) of some of the things that I find annoying or a step back from NT7. Please let me know what I can do to solve these annoyances. If there is nothing I can do, please consider putting them on the suggestion list.

    1. General style
    I quite like the fact that the new version is skinnable. Putting the buttons on the title bar is a great idea, I like it a lot. Is there a way to go skinless though (while keeping the title bar buttons)? I would like NT8 to pick up the system settings (fonts and colors), and have a similar appearance to all the other applications (I am using Win 7, btw), especially where menus, popus, preference lists, etc are concerned.

    2. Font rendering
    The fonts are not rendered as nicely as in NT7 or any other application. The fonts in NT7 are crisp, and blurry or smudgy in NT8. It is not even possible to set them up the same as in NT7.
    A few examples:
    NT7 Editor: Consolas 9 - very nice and crisp. Try the same in NT8 Editor: Consolas 9 - tiny, practically unreadable. Consolas 12 - similar size as Consolas 9 in NT7, however not as clear and crisp, kind of blurry, tiring for the eye after a while.
    NT 7 Chart: Arial 8 - very nice and crisp. NT8 Chart: Arial 8 - tiny, unreadable. Arial 11 - Similar size as Arial 8 in NT7, but not as crisp and clear, kind of smudgy, line thickness varying. Have to use Lucinda Console 11 for a better experience.

    3. Chart rendering
    In NT7 bars have the same size and distance (gap) between them with equidistant bars. NT8, not so much. I like my bars close to each other, with about 1 (or maybe 2, not sure) pixels between them. In NT7 it is not a problem, however in NT8 the bars are sometimes stuck together, sometimes there is a bigger than normal gap between them. I find it distracting, because those stuck together bars and larger gaps draw attention to them and away from what I am trying to do.

    4. Littering
    Not sure that is right word to use. Sometimes (not often, but often enough) when I have other windows (NT or other apps) open overlapping parts of an NT8 window (especially charts), and then close the other window, it leaves parts behind on the NT8 window. Those remnants don't go away until I do something with the NT8 window, occasionally they need to be minimized and restored.
    Another way 'littering' happens is when I have NT8 windows open, and then quit. The windows go away, but leave parts on the desktop. Those remnants stay on the desktop until another window is opened in that area.
    I don't know how to reproduce it, it just happens sometimes.

    5. Color picker
    No custom or system colors. There seem to be a way to put in hex values, but they don't get saved.

    6. Maximized windows disable the task bar
    When I maximize an NT8 window, I cannot use the task bar any more (task bar is set to auto hide). When I move the mouse to the task bar area, nothing happens. When I press the windows or menu buttons on the keyboard, the task bar still does nothing (or maybe it does, but hidden, same result: unusable task bar).

    7. Performance
    NT8 is generally (back test, optimization, data load, etx) faster than NT7. The UI seems to be different, with NT7 being faster than NT8. When I interact with a window (minimize, maximize, resize, move) in NT7, it is instantenious. In NT8 there is a quite noticable delay.

    That is all for now. Any help is appreciated.

    #2
    What are your system specs? Cpu, video, hard drive.
    Which Windows?
    And what monitor are you using?
    Last edited by sledge; 02-27-2017, 12:05 PM.

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      #3
      What are your system specs? Cpu, video, hard drive.
      Not sure, not the latest and greatest, but good enough for everything, including NT7. CPU is quad core AMD, video is Radeon something (integrated) hard drive 1T, not SSD, mostly empty. However I have never seen NT above 5% in task manager even on FOMC release.

      Which Windows? Win 7 SP1 x64

      And what monitor are you using?
      Samsung SuncMaster (HDMI)

      Not sure if it matters, but blurry fonts, delays with window actions, littering, task bar problems are specific to NT8, no other applications does that, and system performance is adequate for all other applications including browser, office, VS2015, media player.

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        #4
        Hello Titus,

        Thank you for your post.
        1. There is no option to use system settings. This would need to be created as a skin as there is no option for a "skinless" mode. I will add this to the feature request I send to development.
        2. For this one we would like to look into it further. Please send me your log and trace files so that I may look into what occurred. If you are using NinjaTrader 8, you can do this by going to the Control Center-> Help-> Email Support. Please list 'ATTN: Patrick H' in the subject line and reference this thread in the body of the email.
        3. For this item can you provide a screenshot of both 7 and 8? In addition, please right click in both the 7 and 8 chart and provide a screenshot of the settings.
        4. This item along with number 2 we will investigate further once we have the log and trace files.
        5. Are you referring to items in specific UI settings windows or the Skins themselves?
        6. We will look into this further on our end.
        7. We will look into this with items 2, 4, and 6.


        I look forward to your response.

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          #5
          Email sent with screen shots, trace and log files.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Titus View Post
            What are your system specs? Cpu, video, hard drive.
            Not sure, not the latest and greatest, but good enough for everything, including NT7. CPU is quad core AMD, video is Radeon something (integrated) hard drive 1T, not SSD, mostly empty. However I have never seen NT above 5% in task manager even on FOMC release.

            Which Windows? Win 7 SP1 x64

            And what monitor are you using?
            Samsung SuncMaster (HDMI)

            Not sure if it matters, but blurry fonts, delays with window actions, littering, task bar problems are specific to NT8, no other applications does that, and system performance is adequate for all other applications including browser, office, VS2015, media player.
            Here is an image. Is it fine or blurry?

            I have Windows 7 display scaling set to 200% on a 4k laptop monitor.

            In the NT7 editor I did Consolas size 8
            In NT8, I turned it down to size 8 from 13, and I couldn't see it. So I used the mouse wheel and cntrl key to get to 150% scaling and it looks like it pretty much matches.



            I do have ClearType in fonts turned on.

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              #7
              Originally posted by sledge View Post
              Is it fine or blurry?
              Thanks, sledge, but no simple yes/no answer. In full size (so I see only part of the image), the black background text is crisp, the white is a bit blurry. When clicked to screen size, it is the opposite: white background is more readable.
              No idea what it means. I remember calibrating ClearType, but that was a while ago. However, all other apps have clear fonts, except for NT8. It is not horrible or unreadable, just gets tiring after a while.

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                #8
                Which DirectX version are you using?

                Run DXDIAG with these instructions.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by sledge View Post
                  Which DirectX version are you using?
                  I am using DirectX 11.

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                    #10
                    I would like to add one more item to the original list:

                    8. Chart losing focus.
                    Working in a chart and then opening and closing a popup (like properties, or indicators) causes the chart to lose focus.
                    For example: Open a chart. Use some keys, like PgUp, PgDn or arrows. Right click to go to properties. OK in properties, chart is not back in focus, it does not become active again. Cannot use the keys, and even the title bar shows it as inactive. Have to click into the chart area (where the bars are) to activate the window and be able to use keys again.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Titus View Post
                      I would like to add one more item to the original list:

                      8. Chart losing focus.
                      Working in a chart and then opening and closing a popup (like properties, or indicators) causes the chart to lose focus.
                      For example: Open a chart. Use some keys, like PgUp, PgDn or arrows. Right click to go to properties. OK in properties, chart is not back in focus, it does not become active again. Cannot use the keys, and even the title bar shows it as inactive. Have to click into the chart area (where the bars are) to activate the window and be able to use keys again.
                      Hello Titus,

                      Thank you for your response.

                      I will look into this further with the other items.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Titus View Post
                        1. General style
                        I quite like the fact that the new version is skinnable. Putting the buttons on the title bar is a great idea, I like it a lot. Is there a way to go skinless though (while keeping the title bar buttons)? I would like NT8 to pick up the system settings (fonts and colors), and have a similar appearance to all the other applications (I am using Win 7, btw), especially where menus, popus, preference lists, etc are concerned.
                        Hello Titus,

                        This feature request has been assigned to the id SFT-1962.

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                          #13
                          NT8 x64
                          Windows 10 x64
                          Intel i3-3220
                          Integrated Intel® HD Graphics 2500
                          LG Flatron L22WT
                          System scale 100%
                          Courier New
                          ClearType off

                          NT7 font is excellent
                          NT8 font is ugly.

                          Please, help us!
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                          Last edited by fx.practic; 03-03-2017, 08:29 AM.
                          fx.practic
                          NinjaTrader Ecosystem Vendor - fx.practic

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                            #14
                            The UI issue that bugs me the most in NT8 is when you have a Brush as the last item in your
                            properties Grid and you scroll down to change. ( last item you can scroll no further ) Now you click
                            the item to expand it so you can set the color and it drops down below the bottom of the window you are viewing so you have to scroll again. Not a show stopper but it is terribly annoying. I am always sitting there wondering whether the developers ever actually use the code they are producing.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by fx.practic View Post
                              NT8 x64
                              Windows 10 x64
                              Intel i3-3220
                              Integrated Intel® HD Graphics 2500
                              LG Flatron L22WT
                              System scale 100%
                              Courier New

                              NT7 font is excellent
                              NT8 font is ugly.

                              Please, help us!
                              My courier new in NT8 looks the same across all my systems. I believe that's why the switch to consolas or whatever it is called.

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